probably controversial here, but i dont think u 100% need dysphoria 2 be trans, ofc if u put no effort in and complain that u dont get gendered correctly I think ur kinda silly. But at the same time in a perfect society we would just ask 4 eachothers pronouns regardless if u were cis or not, It feels humiliating tk be asked 4 ur pronouns rn but if this was normalised it would just be a normal thing. I also feel like enbys r apart of the trans umbrella (yes even “theyfabs”) they r still ostracised by society, sure alot of ppl just view them as quirky women but they r still treated lesser than cis people and infantalised (yes ik some r evil, but there r some horrific “normal” trans people too, generalising a whole group isnt helping anyone) ik yall wont agree bc im a cringe annoying “tenderqueer” that ahould be kicked out of tttt spaces for “gentrifying” it or wtv
it’s probably fine, mostly I think people just have a problem with cis trenders. my culture is not your costume and all. Theyfabs can just take off the makeup, you know? I respect them and stuff, but it’s like when a white guy tells a black woman how hard it is.
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I don’t think you need dysphoria to transition, but you need a fucking SOLID ass foundation to transition or else your fake. Tho if you’ve found your way to this place, ur not fake trans
foundation as in makeup?
Yes girl you should try out different shades at the store so you get the right one for you
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same, Idc what ppl label themselves as long as they arent calling themselves a moidy hon 24/7
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no im a proud tucute
I don’t agree with you, but I feel guilty that I don’t agree with you
like, I don’t know. it’s just hard to say this person is the same as me. But I’ll still always treat them with respect because whatever I’m a fake trans “nonbinary” anyway
I think you need dysphoria to be trans, and NBs can simply have dysphoria over not being NB enough.
like if someone fully transitions medically though and doesn’t feel dysphoria are you still saying they aren’t trans?
No, I’m saying they actually have dysphoria and are mislabeling it
transsexuality is a medical condition. it’s something you have, not something you do. just because I inject insulin doesn’t mean I’m a diabetic, for example.
I just don’t think a person can transition medically without dysphoria. I think they do have dysphoria and are mislabeling it as something else.
eh, I see it.
I agree… people here tend to associate all non-binary people with nontranistioning nondysohoric future detrans theyfabs, and that’s not fair. Most non-binary people are more similar to binary trans people than they are different. A big chunk are even transsexuals.
yes ma’am
In my opinion if you transition and you go through your life as the gender you transitioned to, you’re trans even if the transition wasn’t motivated by dysphoria. And also if you have dysphoria in my opinion you are trans even if you haven’t transitioned. But if we’re talking about people who don’t have dysphoria or have very little dysphoria, and haven’t transitioned despite having the opportunity, then I fail to see what about them is trans. I know some “theyfabs” that are really lovely people and who genuinely do experience dysphoria, and I don’t have a problem with calling them trans even if they don’t face all the same challenges binary trans people do.
In my opinion if you transition and you go through your life as the gender you transitioned to, you’re trans even if the transition wasn’t motivated by dysphoria
If someone force detransitioned such a person they would almost certainly be in distress over this. They have incongruence at their core. Some degree of dysphoria was always part of their motivation even if they didn’t call it by that name.
Yeah I guess I kind of agree, I have a hard time placing myself in the shoes of someone who doesn’t have dysphoria who transitions anyway. But I’ve heard that some people dissociate from their dysphoria, and then there’s is the whole “gender euphoria” thing. My point was mostly if they medically transition and face transphobia, if they walk like a duck and talk like a duck… But yes I think both of these people would probably feel a lot of distress if forced to detransition, which would probably be gender dysphoria.
Gender euphoria is literally just the experience one feels when gender dysphoria ends. You can’t have one without the other. People who are euphoria only trannies were unaware that what they had before was dysphoria possibly like you said from dissociation.
Yeah I agree w most of this butI’m an outlier. Non-binary hate is genuinely just transphobic and they are trans definitionally cuz they go thru all the same struggles. I think you need dysphoria to be trans not in an exclusionary way but in a ‘dysphoria comes in many different forms and if someone genuinely didn’t have dysphoria they would just be cis, so trans people saying they don’t have dysphoria are probably mistaken’ way
yeah thats what i meant withthe 100% dysphoria, like a trans woman can love having a small chest but despises having male genitals and a low voice. or the inverse they can hate having a small chest but love having male genitals. I think hating on ppl 4 not hating every inch of their body is dumbbb. But what would ik i hate everything abt mysrlf
I think that a lot of it comes from jealousy tbhon. Like I wish I could love my rapestick and I can understand why someone would get frustrated when others seem to completely sidestep their own struggles
I think you need dysphoria to be trans, but I think you can, say, be born amab and take estrogen and go by she/her pronouns if you want. I think it’s a categorically distinct thing.
I don’t think this is a problem of people being faketrans over having no dysphoria as much as it is an issue of people with genuine (possibly milder) dysphoria not categorizing what they have as dysphoria. If you did not have dysphoria, there would be no reason for you to want to transition or call yourself trans in the first place.
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