Body Integrity Identity Disorder (BIID), or Body Integrity Dysphoria, is a rare psychological condition characterized by an intense, lifelong desire to become physically disabled (e.g., amputee, paraplegic) because of a belief that a specific body part does not belong. Symptoms include severe distress, acting as if disabled, and risks of self-harm, often stemming from a discrepancy between the brain’s body map and physical reality.
I’ve recently stumbled upon such disorder’s existance, and in some ways it seems similar to gender dysphoria. It supposedly cannot be cured by therapy nor anti depressants. The way it manifests is really similar to how GD does, so I’m curious if it stems from similar malfunctions in different regions of the brain on a biological basis.
I’ve also recently saw some online comments under a video about BIID, and the way that people reacted were similar to how transphobes or cissoids do. I feel like it gives a perspective on how cissoids might perceive us. Probably not literally in the same way, but coming from the same background of lack of understanding. They literally cannot understand what they didn’t experience, just like we can’t understand BIID in the way BIID people do.
Sorry if too off topic from trans issues, or too truscum, but I want some actual discussion here. Not a troll post.
I have BIID but for my entire body and mind
Then take your HRT, because it won’t fix itself.
I think people amputating limbs because of a mental disorder is probably bad
You could say the same of us trannies. BIID is invalidated as a disorder if someone has schizophrenia or delusions. It is a hard moral choice. We can’t understand what we don’t experience. But imagine them living with dysphoria just like you do, but related to their legs.
Trannies don’t directly harm themselves for no reason, comparing transition to having a leg off is kinda wild lmao. One is like fine and the other will leave you perminently disabled and unable to function normally
there is a reason, you made a post about people who would be right wing if they weren’t trans, aren’t you the same? you don’t understand what they’re going through and just decide that they must be delusional and harming themselves for no reason
I mean, I don’t doubt they’re distressed but I don’t think distress is enough to make someone perminently disabled and unable to function, you just have to manage the distress
Do you think we should let anorexics starve themselves to death too?
yea but there’s no way to manage distress over body parts
There’s ways to manage distress over like anything that’s just how distress works
Also again do you think we should let anorexics starve themselves?
anorexics can get better but not people with biid neither can trans people be ok with their wrong bory, there’s been 0 cases of people with biid getting better, it’s the same with dysphoria, conversion therapy or distress management or ssris or antipsychotic or whatever won’t work, did you read the wikipedia article about biid?
So we can rep? Why don’t we rep yet? Why does John 50 exist when we can rep?
But anorexia can be cured just like bdd. BIID on the other hand can not.
Anorexia is treatable, there isn’t a “cure” per say. Courts have literally let people starve themselves before because they thought treatment was futile, which is why I ask.
So it is treatable in some cases and not in others? Well than I think we should offer assisted euthanasia or experimental cosmetic surgeries to those who do not benefit from lifelong therapy and can not be alleviated from their pain. Our priority should be being able to understand the brain and prevent such malfunctions in the first place. That’d mean the end of trannies tho.
I was trying to show people, how it is like for cissoids to see us. They couldn’t ever imagine mutilating their body in a way we do. The same kind of reaction you experience, is the same kind of reaction cissoids do.
Of course, I agree that the situation is much different, and that their disorder carries a real disability, while being trans is harmless. But I feel like to fully understand morality and perception we have to understand edge cases as well.
I mean, I understand why they do it I just think they obviously shouldn’t just be allowed to. It’s not that I don’t understand it’s that the situation isn’t remotely the same
If we had a way to measure their happiness, I think the decision should be based around the utilitarian morality.
Utilitarianism is bourgeois nonsense unforch
A lot of anorexics are happier killing themselves than they are eating that doesn’t mean we should let them lol
I think those who can’t be cured from extreme mental illnesses should be offered assisted euthanasia or some kind of drugs to alleviate pain. Why do we have to be cruel to those suffering? You could argue that their choice is not rational, but what other choice do they have? Are they supposed to be tortured? We are ignorant to them.
What kind of morality do you think is the best? We should be able to quantify what is arbitrary. We should convert the morality of every human on the earth into an average morality to demonstrate of how humanity is wired to function biologically. Problems would start if that morality excluded not following it exclusively.
Fuwarei, who are you? did we inteact before?
But for some reason I recognize you. Don’t know why
No idea, prob not. Who am I? That is my main on this site. I had an account with the same on reddit too, but it got banned. I also have my main on reddit with a different name, but I won’t leak it due to opsec.
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Not really much, I’ve only heard of it recently. But the way we as trannies even react to BIID seems similar to how cissoids do to trans people. For example Ray Blanchard just used a tactic for BIID, which transphobes use to invalidate trans people, saying that it is a delusion. I do not wish to be a hypocrite, so assuming people with BIID suffer on a psychical brain structure malfunction basis similar to how trans people do, and they are grown adults like 25, years of therapy didn’t help, and their quality of life is unbearable due to dysphoria. I think amputation would be justified, but with a much more rigorous threshold than it is to transition for trans people, due to the very obvious disability.
BIID is, by definition, a false belief that the limb doesnt belong. a delusion is a false belief.
just because transphobes incorrectly label being trans as a delusion doesnt mean anyone who uses the term delusion is using the same “tactic” as transphobes ffs.
But it is literally based on their brain mappings, therapy doesn’t help. I see it literally in the same light I see my own dysphoria. What would you do if you’ve felt the same kind of dysphoria but towards your legs instead of gender? Were you able to cure your gender dysphoria?
Od course I am assuming it is the same in nature as gender dysphoria is. If it isn’t, and there are some differences which make it curable, then I turn back every word that I had said.
having the brain of the wrong sex is different than a brain that has a defect causing BIID.
Yes they are but they manifest in a similar kind of distress. Depending on the fact if BIID is easier to fix on the neurological level it might be a better option to find such cure.
there are a lot of things that could cause a similar kind of distress. but just because the symptoms of two conditions look the same from the outside doesnt mean the experience of living with those conditions is comparable.
But this is the only other neurological issue I know of which causes such distress
on paper it’s similar but in practice it seems very very different. with how poorly trannies are treated, people with BIID are probably treated even worse. and with how rare it is, i doubt there have been many genuine attempts at treatment. so amputation seems a bit extreme.
being trans is a neurological interex condition witrh a very obvious treatement path, BIID is a legitemate delusion. sorry i cant think of a better word for it that still gets the point across.
this applies to trannies too
being a tranny is legitimate delusion
No I don’t think it is. We can’t change it. Or maybe it was a delusion, but it permanently affected the structure of our brain, which makes it a physical feature.
i know it’s not, im saying it is bc honlarperlarper said biid is legitimate delusion
BIID is the textbook definition of a delusion. a false belief that a specific body part does not belong. a delusion is a false belief.
the term “delusion” has medical meaning, you can’t just throw it around for everything you don’t understand, if they were delusional they wouldn’t acknowledge the existence of the limb, but they’re acutely aware of it and that it feels wrong, it’s not a belief bc amputation cures their biid, to me they sound completely rational and sane, they know the body part feel wrong and they know what amputation entails, they know their life will be harder after amputating one of their fucking legs but they still want that because there’s something wrong in how their brain is wired, there’s no delusion like in schizophrenia, it cannot be cured with antipsychotics, your argument is what transphobes say for trans people, a delusional man, doesn’t he know he has a dick? how can he think he’s a woman, obv transphobes ignore dysphoria, much like you are ignoring biid, you know know nothing about it yet are here to talk about someone else’s medical issue despite not talking to single person with biid or reading the wikipedia article or any case studies, you’d most likely be a transphobe if you weren’t trans yourself
“you’d most likely be a transphobe if you weren’t trans yourself”
im detransitioning 😶🌫️ not gonna be transphobic tho because i understand dysphoria
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