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Body Integrity Identity Disorder (BIID), or Body Integrity Dysphoria, is a rare psychological condition characterized by an intense, lifelong desire to become physically disabled (e.g., amputee, paraplegic) because of a belief that a specific body part does not belong. Symptoms include severe distress, acting as if disabled, and risks of self-harm, often stemming from a discrepancy between the brain’s body map and physical reality.
I’ve recently stumbled upon such disorder’s existance, and in some ways it seems similar to gender dysphoria. It supposedly cannot be cured by therapy nor anti depressants. The way it manifests is really similar to how GD does, so I’m curious if it stems from similar malfunctions in different regions of the brain on a biological basis.
I’ve also recently saw some online comments under a video about BIID, and the way that people reacted were similar to how transphobes or cissoids do. I feel like it gives a perspective on how cissoids might perceive us. Probably not literally in the same way, but coming from the same background of lack of understanding. They literally cannot understand what they didn’t experience, just like we can’t understand BIID in the way BIID people do.
Sorry if too off topic from trans issues, or too truscum, but I want some actual discussion here. Not a troll post.
There’s ways to manage distress over like anything that’s just how distress works
Also again do you think we should let anorexics starve themselves?
anorexics can get better but not people with biid neither can trans people be ok with their wrong bory, there’s been 0 cases of people with biid getting better, it’s the same with dysphoria, conversion therapy or distress management or ssris or antipsychotic or whatever won’t work, did you read the wikipedia article about biid?
I mean I don’t think they’ll “get better” I think distress management is a better solution than making someone a perminently disabled and incapable of functioning
Also anorexia is treatable yes but that doesn’t mean everyone can get better. Sometimes treatment just isn’t effective. As I said in my other comment courts have literally allowed anorexics to starve themselves before because treatment was futile and they were “utterly defeated by the condition”, to quote the judge in one case.
yea what does distress management mean here, what practical solution are you telling them to consider? dbt skills? ssris? antipsychotics? suicide? youre saying the term distress management but that’s quite vague, and i doubt you have some solution that nobody has considered yet
also you’re saying that the person can function while having the leg and that amputating is will make them no longer able to function, but that’s not true, they are functional in the same way a repper is functional, and without treatment will try to amputate the limb by themselves, some people have amputated their body parts bc doctors wouldn’t do it and their biid was fixed, nothing except amputation has worked so far, and in the few cases im which amputation was tried, their biid was fixed
Yeah like all those things, it’s not a "solution’ it’s management
Also reppers literally are functional??? They’re just mentally ill (and have treatment that doesn’t render them unable to function)
Also not all of them try to do it themselves in the same way that not all trans people try to do diy orchis
i mean im talking about the equivalent of people who would do a diy orchi, but even those who wouldn’t don’t deserve to suffer
Well no they don’t deserve to but they also don’t deserve to be given a life ruining disability as “treatment” either
So we can rep? Why don’t we rep yet? Why does John 50 exist when we can rep?
I mean you can rep but why would you when transition exists and that’s a better solution
Valid point. But you could say the same about them, cause their treatment will not negatively affect them in their subjective experience.
It will in the objectively. How easy do you think it is to get a job with one leg? They objectively wouldn’t be able to function normally in society ever again
Then should you follow what cissoids think about your dysphoria objectively? All that matters for distress is the subjective experience. Such people would have to either work remote or get support for disabled people.
No because they’re wrong and transition doesn’t impede my ability to live whatsoever? What they “think” isn’t the same as someone measurably losing their job and ability to function normally
Outlandishly idealistic perspective kinda, they’d at best end up on disability and be able to live off that or at worst end up homeless
But as I said distress is subjective, and you can measure those signs of distress objectively based on what the person is reporting. If the person objectively reports that they’re happier after such modifications, it is justified.
This is literally the same way we justify SRS surgeries. With a large enough data pool we can objectively know that such procedure is positive.
Basically everyone would be objectively happier if they took heroin but that doesn’t mean we should give them it
Also even if srs didn’t make people objectively happier I’d still support it’s existence