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Body Integrity Identity Disorder (BIID), or Body Integrity Dysphoria, is a rare psychological condition characterized by an intense, lifelong desire to become physically disabled (e.g., amputee, paraplegic) because of a belief that a specific body part does not belong. Symptoms include severe distress, acting as if disabled, and risks of self-harm, often stemming from a discrepancy between the brain’s body map and physical reality.
I’ve recently stumbled upon such disorder’s existance, and in some ways it seems similar to gender dysphoria. It supposedly cannot be cured by therapy nor anti depressants. The way it manifests is really similar to how GD does, so I’m curious if it stems from similar malfunctions in different regions of the brain on a biological basis.
I’ve also recently saw some online comments under a video about BIID, and the way that people reacted were similar to how transphobes or cissoids do. I feel like it gives a perspective on how cissoids might perceive us. Probably not literally in the same way, but coming from the same background of lack of understanding. They literally cannot understand what they didn’t experience, just like we can’t understand BIID in the way BIID people do.
Sorry if too off topic from trans issues, or too truscum, but I want some actual discussion here. Not a troll post.
If we had a way to measure their happiness, I think the decision should be based around the utilitarian morality.
Utilitarianism is bourgeois nonsense unforch
A lot of anorexics are happier killing themselves than they are eating that doesn’t mean we should let them lol
I think those who can’t be cured from extreme mental illnesses should be offered assisted euthanasia or some kind of drugs to alleviate pain. Why do we have to be cruel to those suffering? You could argue that their choice is not rational, but what other choice do they have? Are they supposed to be tortured? We are ignorant to them.
But when i say we should manage distress you think im wrong
Can you manage your dysphoria? What stops a conservative from saying that and preventing you from taking HRT? Don’t you see this is the same logic? Where do we draw the line? That is why quantifiable mortality is important, so that the lines do not become arbitrary.
I mean, certain things will objectively make the distress less bad? If I get numbed on anti psychotics I imagine I’d probably feel it a bit less yeah
Nothing? They literally do say that? The difference is that they’re wrong about transition causing harm??
When we start making it objectively impossible for people to function normally in society? Why are you talking about transition as if its remotely comparable to removing someone’s ability to function ever again
The lines are also always arbitrary
I hate arbitrary lines. I want objective ones. I hate subjectity, everything should be empirical.
I think you’re autistic, that’s just not how it works
Then how do we know what is true? How do I know what is true? How? I can’t know what is true, any time I think of philosophy, even my own beliefs my brain spirals into paradox thinking because subjective arbitrary thinking cannot be measured by itself. Without measuring we can’t be sure.
What kind of morality do you think is the best? We should be able to quantify what is arbitrary. We should convert the morality of every human on the earth into an average morality to demonstrate of how humanity is wired to function biologically. Problems would start if that morality excluded not following it exclusively.
I think grand moral theories are stupid in general tbqh, morals aren’t objective and are shaped by the society we live in and the mode of production. Pretending you can “solve” morality via applying some grand theory like utilitarianism or deontology is bourgeois nonense
if morals aren’t objective, what separates morals and opinions?
Nothing?
If morals are objective where do they come from? God?
I’ll write something on this soon, I think.
Morals are not objective, but we can objectively measure them based on output from other humans. Morals are a result of a biological system inner guidelines shaped by their inner life experiences.
I think I have different axioms than you.
That is okay, there’s no correct philosophy. But when it comes to philosophy I’m a super hard materialist and believe in nihilism (I like existentialism as a response), so it is understandable that my views are going to be based on that.
Yeah… no morals are shaped by the society we live in and the ideology of the ruling class. They’re a product of the economic base of any given society
Then do you think a baby raised in a lack of society would see nothing wrong in killing other humans? Why are we scared of blood, why do we feel empathy for others? I feel like those are the intrinsic natural guidelines which we later shape through nurture.
I mean, yeah? I don’t think humans inherently think killing other human is wrong? We literally do it all the time
Empathy and fears of blood are inherent features but they’re also not morals
Yeah that’s what I think too. But how do we make something arbitrary empirical? We need axioms in a system just like in math.