For one, the vast majority of women are androphiles and for agps that’s jot remotely true so that makes no sense
For 2, agp is a sexuality not just a fetish and therefore also has non sexual romantic aspects and idk maybe I’m crazy but I don’t think most cis women are attracted to themselves in an autoromantic sense
For 3, the moser study is nonsense
Women liking tall men and feeling feminine doesn’t make them autogynephiles 😭
look at my sexologists holy shit we’re genuinely cooked. I could make anyone here believe anything unfalsifiable if it called them sissy crossdressers. unbelievable. look at my leftists dawg
well erm actually agp is real because… because it just is, okay! it’s like God!
It’s not even a self hate thing this is literally just true 😭
Like agp as described doesn’t apply to cis women just factually
this is so retarded it pisses me off. more trannies need to go to college or some shit. I couldn’t read until I was a teenager and I seem to be the only person who can here. you people will eat up any slop left behind by rich white people who hate you if it calls you men and has big words. unbelievable. just unbelievable.
I don’t think agp makes anyone men?
Also again AS DESCRIBED agp factually doesn’t apply to cis women
the book is called men in mens bodies for the love of God
It’s a play on the whole “women trapped in Mens bodies thing” because she was specifically talking about people who weren’t traditionally feminine before trooning. Bad title og but she doesn’t literally think troons are men she is one
she literally says agps are men.
pretransition, they’re just men with fetishes. judged based on sexual orientation. the great case of tranny confirmation bias.
She literally is one and is transitioned 😭
google ‘paraphillia’ google ‘difference between sexual and romantic attraction’
plenty of cis women get off to being seen sexually. that is agp by any definition that defines transbians as agp. they also get off to men. these things aren’t exclusive
Ok but agp is far closer to a sexuality than a paraphilia, that’s like the whole thing. Agps don’t just transition to get off its an autoromantic attraction to the female self. Otherwise why would they take drugs that kill their libido and keep going
well tbf, studies dont show that estrogen long term kills libido. theres a short term drop before it recovers
Aas absolutely do tho + purely paraphilic patients drop treatment when their libido drops, you can go read case studies of thst happening
fair, but then, you dont really have the paraphilia, do you? your body makes you feel horrid, not turned on, no? and you arent stopping E because you miss your libido either, youre not stopping it at all
I mean no one here has it in a purely paraphilic sense
I did when I was 10-12, I guess I’ve just found the answer then. I am just faketrans, nobody wants to admit it to be nice or something
but you dint have it in any sense
I do in some ways, u still hate multiple masculine features and like having soft skin and stuff
agp was devised as a paraphillia. then by this mechanism, it was proven no such paraphillia exists. then, reclassifying agp as something entirely new and unprecedented in theory or observation is scientific dishonesty meant only to keep alive an obviously false theory (for transphobic aims, need i need to tell you abt blanchler’s connections with anti-trans lobbyists and hate groups).
I mean do you want me to just come up for a new name for it then idk, idk how reclassifying something upon further observation is dishonesty
in science, we make hypotheses. we test these hypotheses experimentally or observationally, then discuss whether they support or do not support the hypotheses. if they do support the hypotheses, then we have more reason to believe said hypotheses. if they do not support the hypotheses, then we have more reason to not believe said hypotheses.
if, under scrutiny, a theory is not supported by science. you do not try and dodge your experimental or observational data by ad-hoc claiming that actually your theory was something different. if you do, then you must test that theory. if you do, you should make sure the foundation of your theory is grounded in previous research. “autoromantic gynephillic attraction motivating transition” is not grounded in previous research. it’s batshit insane and entirely unprecedented. and unless you can test definitively whether some transitions are motivated by “autoromantic gynephillic attraction” or garden-variety transsexuality, your theory is unfalsifiable. that’s the scientific term meaning ‘garbage.’
and unless you can test definitively whether some transitions are motivated by “autoromantic gynephillic attraction” or garden-variety transsexuality
It’s basically impossible to judge the motivation for someone’s transition definitely other than anecdotal evidence, which literally does exist
Also tf is “garden variet transsexuality”
ok but none of us did that so its not agp?
Read my comment before this one? What
Agp/aap become useless if we define it as auto-eroticism because everyone is auto-erotic to some extent. I do think it’s a thing, but it’s strictly relegated to sissies/CDs and their fetishistic view of womanhood (aap in this context would be… too tired to think)
Any earnest trans girl who says theyre agp is just brainwormed
the vast majority of agps are bisexual nd thus androphiles tho. even blanchy doesnt stand by meta attraction qnymore.
I don’t consider most bi agps androphiles…
this just in, liking men romantically and sexually is not androphilia. this is your brain on sexology folks!
Meta attraction isn’t androphilia
people fantasize about specific men or have crushes on them but its qll um meta attraction because women cant be bisexual as they dont have sexualities.
like you know thats what bailey et al beleive right? its complete nonsense
Ok but lots of agps don’t do that, “faceless men” in fantasies is a recorded phenomenon… literally just talking to some bi agps it becomes very clear they’re not androphilic
ok but thats not exactly exclusive to just trans women. and faceless women isnt exactlt unknown in gynephilia. there is “meta attraction” in the sense of the satisfaction of fitting the social role of heterosexuality but to claim it comprises the whole of all trans women’s androphilia is just stupid
Ok but it’s literally just not androphilia 😭, if yoh were androphilic you’d have absolutely no reason whatsoever to fantasie about faceless men
And yes because some women are comphet, it’s far more common among trans women tho
