it lacks the nuance that bdd passoid had. the amount of people who are knowingly, and willingly “larping” and not just severely mentally ill and unable to see themselves clearly in the mirror is rather low id think. the most catty people arent gonna larp around niche tranny spaces for attention, theyre on tiktok and shit.
i get that sometimes its hard to believe people arent faking it for attention, but someone can say that they feel ugly and mean it even while theyre fishing for attention. i know ive done that before. made a post with an attention baiting title, knowing its attention baiting, but legitimately believing it and desperately just wanting someone to tell me im wrong. now, that never happens for me really, i just get sad faces and hug emojis but thats besides the point.
tldr: honlarper is stupid term that lacks empathy and likely applies to almost no one


I just don’t understand people who go on and on, and on, and on, and on about being a hon, people saying them they are not a hon, and then they again go on, and on, and on, and on about being a hon. Like, at some point you have to accept words of other people already. I can get hating their body and face, but some of them straight up lie about never passing.
I think a lot more of them are telling the truth about it than you might think. Like they might be able to take a good photo but then when they fully exist in 3 dimensional space with the passage of time and motion all included, things go a little different.
Yes, I get it. I used to put more importance on photos in the past, but I changed my view about a month ago. I meant specifically the ones who don’t get misgendered or straight up malefail or pass often, while still calling themselves hons.
Oh yeah I think in those cases their reason for doing it is that they work for the cia and they were sent here to kill us
hard to accept the words of online strangers that don’t experience your day to day life and how you’re perceived by others irl.
Yeau. But you malefailed pre E and iirc you don’t get gendered now, when you go outside.
seriously. if i posted my 2023 pre e id you’d realise how little malefailing occasionally as a moid with long hair matters. that id alone shows i’ll never pass.
malefailing does mean much of anything. hair can hide things. it just means my hair covered my face enough at that point and somebody assumed based on that. i’ve had long hair way before before e. also, i’m pretty sure gendered language in most contexts i interact with anyone isn’t common anyway.
This wasn’t just someone mistakenly assuming your gender but fixing themselves when seeing your face, they straight up saw you as a girl after seeing you in vicinity for some period of time.
i masculized heavily between 2021 and 2023 clearly. i started to masculize shit tons after 19. didn’t start to get facial hair until 19. that’s when my body and especially face started to rapidly be ruined. it was ruined by 2023. the guitar store story i can’t verify happened because my mother told me it happened i never heard the employees say anything.
I see. I can’t really tell anything about not being gendered, because you don’t go out nearly enough to make any conclusion of it, only personal anecdotes.
i don’t pass. i know hrt hasn’t done shit because 6 months ago somebody that hadn’t saw me in a year, that only saw me once prior, a year before that recognised me. i know for a fact nothing has changed. all the evidence points to that.
Sorry, but it doesn’t mean much. I recognized people who I only knew before their puberty happened (or at the start of their puberty, I don’t really remember, just very young). Brain is good at this stuff.
tbf, someone can easily get told they pass by people online and still never pass irl. and again, mental illness isnt logical. its annoying yeah, i just think its unfair to assume the absolute worse of people who are struggling in their own regards
Yeah, photos are not a good indicator of passing. I mostly specifically meant a few who don’t get misgendered or straight up malefail or pass often.