Okay… but I am not talking about innate characteristics… I am talking about weakening structures that make getting rid of capitalism more difficult… like of course introducing something like workplace democracy for example or putting in place anti corruption laws and cutting of political parties from burgeoius funding, or weakening the finance sector of the economy and making economy more based in actual production, weakening the ability to store wealth in the form of debt or getting rid of that so that eventuallt the state can confiscat the wealth of billionairs without it literally turning to thin air because it is based on shareholder trust, putting in place better wokters proctection, engaging in anti-colonial work by having france leave african countries alone or by giving palestinians national sovereignty, having democracy in arab countries instead of dictators in them… and so much more…
isn’t all that worthwhile before idk doing somehow an international revolution and declaring all class and all capitalist relations dissolved somehow…
How??? How does making workers have greater say about what they produce not weaken capitalism… how does getting rid of debt economy not weaken capitalism… how does having western nations not exploit their former colonies not weaken western hegemony which is a major player in capitalism… how does having the people have a greater say in their lives not make capitalist exploitation harder than it would be under a military dictatorship…
How? What the fuck are you on?
It isn’t directly working against capitalism but everything that makes life harder and exploitation harder for capitalists should be persueed… every stone in their way is a brick upon which eventually communism can be built…
Social democracy is still capitalism but i suggesting being a lot more radical than social democrats and I think social democracy is still better than fascist hypercapitalism… right???
Yes everything I said is social democracy but that is still progress, not just a happier face for capitalism… and yeah you can’t stop imperialism under capitalism but you can’t escape capitalism without working against it from within, right?
The only reason this has failed so many times is because of ideologically softening and financial capture… you have to try to fight within in capitalism against but have to resist being neutralized and made respectable etc…
I never said you can produce communism that way… of course not… fuck no… but you can make it easier that way for the revolution to succeed is what I’m saying… social democracy can be easier reformed and changed and overthrown than fascism or hypercapitalism…
Yes that’s true historically but I wasn’t advocating for classical social democracy… I was trying to advocate for shifting the playing field in favor of the proletariat before revolution which I don’t think has to be the same as class collaboration… you can start by shifting the playing field in our favor and then try to supress the power of the burgeois little by little and when they try to answer with force, then we answer also with revolutionary force and try to prevent them from gaining ground again by implementing the dictatorship of the proletariat.
And yes historically social democrats are traitors and do act like fascists… that’s why I’m trying to advocate for something more similar to democratic socialist-adjacent measures to gain some ground and support before we can then try to push for more radical changes…
Okay… but I am not talking about innate characteristics… I am talking about weakening structures that make getting rid of capitalism more difficult… like of course introducing something like workplace democracy for example or putting in place anti corruption laws and cutting of political parties from burgeoius funding, or weakening the finance sector of the economy and making economy more based in actual production, weakening the ability to store wealth in the form of debt or getting rid of that so that eventuallt the state can confiscat the wealth of billionairs without it literally turning to thin air because it is based on shareholder trust, putting in place better wokters proctection, engaging in anti-colonial work by having france leave african countries alone or by giving palestinians national sovereignty, having democracy in arab countries instead of dictators in them… and so much more…
isn’t all that worthwhile before idk doing somehow an international revolution and declaring all class and all capitalist relations dissolved somehow…
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How??? How does making workers have greater say about what they produce not weaken capitalism… how does getting rid of debt economy not weaken capitalism… how does having western nations not exploit their former colonies not weaken western hegemony which is a major player in capitalism… how does having the people have a greater say in their lives not make capitalist exploitation harder than it would be under a military dictatorship…
How? What the fuck are you on?
It isn’t directly working against capitalism but everything that makes life harder and exploitation harder for capitalists should be persueed… every stone in their way is a brick upon which eventually communism can be built…
Social democracy is still capitalism but i suggesting being a lot more radical than social democrats and I think social democracy is still better than fascist hypercapitalism… right???
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Yes everything I said is social democracy but that is still progress, not just a happier face for capitalism… and yeah you can’t stop imperialism under capitalism but you can’t escape capitalism without working against it from within, right?
The only reason this has failed so many times is because of ideologically softening and financial capture… you have to try to fight within in capitalism against but have to resist being neutralized and made respectable etc…
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I never said you can produce communism that way… of course not… fuck no… but you can make it easier that way for the revolution to succeed is what I’m saying… social democracy can be easier reformed and changed and overthrown than fascism or hypercapitalism…
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Yes that’s true historically but I wasn’t advocating for classical social democracy… I was trying to advocate for shifting the playing field in favor of the proletariat before revolution which I don’t think has to be the same as class collaboration… you can start by shifting the playing field in our favor and then try to supress the power of the burgeois little by little and when they try to answer with force, then we answer also with revolutionary force and try to prevent them from gaining ground again by implementing the dictatorship of the proletariat.
And yes historically social democrats are traitors and do act like fascists… that’s why I’m trying to advocate for something more similar to democratic socialist-adjacent measures to gain some ground and support before we can then try to push for more radical changes…