Well… communism is a final step… before that you would first need to engage with interests related to money and finance and slowly start to dissolve them… you can’t just jump and arrive immediately into communism… that’s not possible… that’s why you also need a dictatorship of the proletariat, implying class still exists, before you arrive in a classless society.
Also dismantling relations of production isn’t gonna be that easy… you’re talking about a global structure with literally billions of parts… this machine can’t just be reassembled that easily especially when things such as “humans are inherently greedy” is an idea produced in almost everybody around the world that results from capitalist relations and would reproduce them instantly if we don’t accompany a reorganization of production with a reorganization of society wide pedagogy and culture as well…
during a revolution it would literally not be hard to stop affirming capitalist relations of production
Because breaking down everything and trying to built from scratch wouldn’t work because we can’t just stop global food trade… like… you say it’s all so easy but during that revolution you would need to garauntee that the world doesn’t literally go up in flames… like I really don’t understand how you imagine this mythical revolution will go… we do a revolution and then…? What then? Do you have a system in place to replace capitalism? How will things work? You just say it would be easy to stop affirming capitalist relations… ah yes because suddenly all 8 Billion people will understand Marxism perfectly and be all perfectly class conscious and not at all influenced by living under capitalism for generations… as if they wouldn’t immediately reproduce capitalist relations because it’s the only thing they know
I was using idealistic as an adjective… second I do know what idealism mean… it’s the position that our material conditions result from ideas, from convictions and ways of thinking about the world. A materialist would say that our ideas and beliefs come from material conditions.
I’m not saying stupid things… I’m engaging in a conversation and learning and sharing my thoughts. Also it wouldn’t be a happier face for capitalism, it would be easier to do a revolution in a society where you already have weakened the influence of capitalists by at least a little and forced some concessions
Well… communism is a final step… before that you would first need to engage with interests related to money and finance and slowly start to dissolve them… you can’t just jump and arrive immediately into communism… that’s not possible… that’s why you also need a dictatorship of the proletariat, implying class still exists, before you arrive in a classless society.
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Yes… i was just referring to it to point out that arriving at communism is a process
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Yeah… come on… really? International lower stage communism could be achieved rapidly… and you call me idealistic? Come on, seriously
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Also dismantling relations of production isn’t gonna be that easy… you’re talking about a global structure with literally billions of parts… this machine can’t just be reassembled that easily especially when things such as “humans are inherently greedy” is an idea produced in almost everybody around the world that results from capitalist relations and would reproduce them instantly if we don’t accompany a reorganization of production with a reorganization of society wide pedagogy and culture as well…
You really think that this is so easy?
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Because breaking down everything and trying to built from scratch wouldn’t work because we can’t just stop global food trade… like… you say it’s all so easy but during that revolution you would need to garauntee that the world doesn’t literally go up in flames… like I really don’t understand how you imagine this mythical revolution will go… we do a revolution and then…? What then? Do you have a system in place to replace capitalism? How will things work? You just say it would be easy to stop affirming capitalist relations… ah yes because suddenly all 8 Billion people will understand Marxism perfectly and be all perfectly class conscious and not at all influenced by living under capitalism for generations… as if they wouldn’t immediately reproduce capitalist relations because it’s the only thing they know
I was using idealistic as an adjective… second I do know what idealism mean… it’s the position that our material conditions result from ideas, from convictions and ways of thinking about the world. A materialist would say that our ideas and beliefs come from material conditions.
Don’t claim I don’t know stuff…
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I’m not saying stupid things… I’m engaging in a conversation and learning and sharing my thoughts. Also it wouldn’t be a happier face for capitalism, it would be easier to do a revolution in a society where you already have weakened the influence of capitalists by at least a little and forced some concessions