im spreading vegan propaganda because its important to me

  • MsYashM
    9·
    24 days ago

    this is the post with the most comments on tranistan

  • WhiteRoseWinterOP
    51·
    25 days ago

    being vegan is fembrained or mascbrained depending on what you prefer

  • pleasantaftertastes
    62·
    25 days ago

    Maybe I’m just a selfish thirdie (who is disgusted by the wanton rape and consistent abuse of the western slaughter industry) but I don’t really plan to be vegan. I don’t really eat meat often, but I eat animal products I harvest myself or when I know the farmer personally and I know that they’re reputable. Meat is also acceptable as long as it’s humane. I’m an omnivore and a balanced diet is required for optimum mind and body.

    • pleasantaftertastes
      61·
      25 days ago

      I dislike the poorly formed arguments on both sides here. It’s childish and insane to hurl insults at one another. If you must make an argument of ethics and the proper way to live as per your personal philosophy, do so. Fallacious and lazy reasoning isn’t conductive of a convincing argument.

        • pleasantaftertastes
          4·
          25 days ago

          I grew in part on a farm in a pastoral society. I don’t see the issue with my way of living.

        • WhiteRoseWinterOP
          32·
          25 days ago

          how is taking the life of something that doesnt want to die not murder, and yeah omnivore doesnt mean needs to eat meat

          • pleasantaftertastes
            41·
            25 days ago

            Well, I’ll assume you don’t mean the actual definition of murder here, and you mean to posit a moral argument. You highlight an animal’s sentience, right? If a being is conscious, can feel pain, and has a “will to live,” then ending that life for a non essential reason (like taste) is morally equivalent to murder. I would disagree. There is a clear hierarchy or consciousness in this world. You distinguish between what you kill because it suits the moral compass and it is our nature. There is no bloodless meal in this world. Our modern industrial culture is far from victimless. Do you cry for the millions of field animals? Rodents and ground nesting birds and rabbits and crows and snakes and all manners. Slaughtered by combine harvesters, tilling and planting. Billions of insect deaths due to pesticides, which harm local water tables, killing fish and amphibians both. If your goal was to minimize the lives lost, eating a cow would be the way to go. Far less sentient deaths than the thousands of small animals killed to produce the same amount of nutrients.

            • pleasantaftertastes
              41·
              24 days ago

              I don’t really mean to be rude. But Kant already debunked personhood in this regard, as well. The Moral Status of Animals

              1.3 Personhood Nonetheless, there is something important that is thought to distinguish humans from non-humans that is not reducible to the observation of behavior best explained by possessing a certain capacity, and that is our “personhood”. The notion of personhood identifies a category of morally considerable beings that is thought to be coextensive with humanity. Historically, Kant is the most noted defender of personhood as the quality that makes a being valuable and thus morally considerable (for a contemporary utilitarian discussion of personhood, see Varner 2012). Kant writes:

              …every rational being, exists as an end in himself and not merely as a means to be arbitrarily used by this or that will…Beings whose existence depends not on our will but on nature have, nevertheless, if they are not rational beings, only a relative value as means and are therefore called things. On the other hand, rational beings are called persons inasmuch as their nature already marks them out as ends in themselves. (Kant [1785] 1998: [Ak 4: 428])

              And:

              The fact that the human being can have the representation “I” raises him infinitely above all the other beings on earth. By this he is a person….that is, a being altogether different in rank and dignity from things, such as irrational animals, with which one may deal and dispose at one’s discretion. (Kant [1798] 2010: 239 [Ak 7: 127])

              • pleasantaftertastes
                2·
                24 days ago

                This stuff is more convincing to those not philosophically versed, but it will take more legwork with me.

              • WhiteRoseWinterOP
                26·
                24 days ago

                what is this malebrained debatebro shit, you’re citing someone who lived over 200 years ago as a moral beacon, am i having a stroke???

                • pleasantaftertastes
                  21·
                  24 days ago

                  I… I don’t really know how do respond to this.If you’re going to respond, please engage with the material and provide a rebuttal. These works are in part what my rejection of veganism are built upon, specifically kant’s ideas on the moral status of personhood. I understand your frustration, but insulting me for no reason isn’t very productive for either of us. I want to be convinced. Calling me male-brained without expounding just pushes me away. The age of content doesn’t matter unless it’s science. We still use Hume’s form, after all. The is-ought gap as well. Hell, the lier paradox is 500+ years old! These are ethical and moral questions and claims you make. Our philosophies were bound to clash.

            • WhiteRoseWinterOP
              12·
              24 days ago

              do you think cows subsist off air? they need to eat plants, they’re inherently less efficient than just eating the plants grown, if you truly believe you minimize lives lost by killing cows you’re a child

              • pleasantaftertastes
                2·
                24 days ago

                Cows eating plants is insanely good for the environment. Approximately 60–70% of the world’s agricultural land is marginal or unarable. It’s too rocky, steep, or dry to grow crops like kale or soy. However, it can grow grass. Ruminants (like cows and sheep) can turn that otherwise useless grass into high-density protein. An effective way to fertilize without synthetic petroleum-based fertilizers. It would be a geographic impossibility to use that land for soy or kale anyway. Ruminants create value. Also, there is no reason to insult me. This discussion is good faith. (At least, I hope.) I genuinely want to learn and be convinced.

                • WhiteRoseWinterOP
                  12·
                  24 days ago

                  i have absolutely no reason to believe that someone like you is genuinely acting in good faith

    • pleasantaftertastes
      53·
      25 days ago

      This is a completely retarded comparison and a false equivalence. Completely flattens nuance, too. That’s like saying slaves who hate slave owners are just as much of vultures as the owners are.

      • onlineisa
        1·
        24 days ago

        Anything to feel superior, many such cases (before I get downvoted to shit I don’t eat meat)

        • pleasantaftertastes
          32·
          25 days ago

          There is a hierarchy of consciousness in this world. Both are important problems, but they lie in different sectors.

    • WhiteRoseWinterOP
      43·
      25 days ago

      i had hoped we would have a more empathetic community but i must be naïve

  • Wandering
    42·
    25 days ago

    nah I won’t be 100% pure vegan. I’ll just be morally inferior vegetarian

      • Wandering
        52·
        25 days ago

        I consume animal products a few times a year to eat with my family and friends if there’s no vegan options available. I don’t really mind being seen as a “carnist” by terminally online vegans.

        be very careful John 👍

          • Wandering
            21·
            25 days ago

            yeah I expected their response. I was a strict vegan for 2.5 years, I had their mindset in the past. It kinda just pits you against 99%+ of humanity and isn’t a great way to live :/

            I respect people that fully commit to it but idk why they have to be so aggressive about it.

        • WhiteRoseWinterOP
          33·
          25 days ago

          you know what someone with a spine would do when there arent vegan options? NOT EAT IT

  • wormgirl
    2·
    25 days ago

    lowkey being vegan sounds chill but idk its just hard to maintain in my opinion. i’m sure i could do it tho if i tried hard in the future

      • wormgirl
        3·
        25 days ago

        i mean it kinda is no it like depends on financial stability and time and energy. maybe just hard for me bc i have depression but lowkey just eating lettuce sounds amazing

        • WhiteRoseWinterOP
          4·
          24 days ago

          you can eat vegan for cheaper, and you dont just have to have lettuce and stuff, try beans rice lentils and whatever, just fuck around and make shit

          • wormgirl
            1·
            24 days ago

            i know it ends up being cheaper with time but its more expensive at the start. esp when fast food is easier saves time and cheaper. idk and i mentioned lettuce bc i fucking love lettuce im bnuuy

            • WhiteRoseWinterOP
              2·
              24 days ago

              i suppose, you don’t have to go vegan immediately but you should just stop buying animal product from now on so you’ll phase it out

        • WhiteRoseWinterOP
          32·
          25 days ago

          nirvana fallacy + rather than as motivation to minimize harm, you use it as an excuse to keep supporting it?

            • WhiteRoseWinterOP
              32·
              25 days ago

              until it exists, why dont you get off your keyboard warrior high chair and contribute by NOT SUPPORTING ABUSE

                • WhiteRoseWinterOP
                  21·
                  25 days ago

                  but if you are truly convinced and willing to stick with it, remember you’re doing the right thing, and take b12 supplements

                • WhiteRoseWinterOP
                  32·
                  25 days ago

                  i dont care if i’m mean when i’m trying to save the lives of the defenseless