Like there’s a lot of things that just don’t really make sense presuming that is true.

For one some trans people obviously aren’t born trans, I mean personally I was literally a cis guy until after most of puberty was done, like I just wasn’t trans back then I was pretty normal other than my autism and I know other people like that personally as well. Plus like, idk I think the idea that someone who realises at 35 is repping the whole time in 100% of cases is a bit ridiculous, maybe sometimes but like it happens enough that that cannot be every case

I also think the idea that all detransitioners are either reppers or were never really trans is quite silly. I mean some of them are like that undoubtedly, but like others were entirely normal trans people and then just weren’t one day. I know one guy who used to literally just be a bdd passoid but is a gay guy now who gets dysphoria over his female traits. Idk how you can explain that if gender is entirely unchangeable and innate because he was clearly trans and isn’t repping. I mean I’m not a detranner but even personally I used to literally just be a normal binary troon like any other but aren’t anymore.

Idk, this isn’t to say that conversion therapy works (i don’t think it’s something that actively changes and is probably to complex to ever actively change) however I think the prevailing view that it’s an entirely innate, unchanging concept is kinda silly. Obviously it probably is in some people, but I don’t think that’s true for everyone because I ultimately think there’s probably multiple causes of gender dysphoria and it’s more complex than people usually let on

  • UnfortunatelyAlex
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    29 days ago

    it really is all quite silly to me. our brains are plastic. so much is shaped by our experiences, and an untold number of other factors. yes, there are people who seem to have always known. i wont deny them that. but like you said, im sure as hell not one of those people. i dont remember most of my childhood, but what i do remember i just didnt care about gender or sex in the slightest. i was a boy cause thats what people told me and it was fine.

    i had discomfort over my body as a teenager, but a good chunk of that was because i was fat and felt ugly. in the past i sort of felt pressured to frame all my body image issues i had growing up on being a troon and just not knowing but these days i dont really see it that way.

    and then, it doesnt really matter to me anyway. regardless as to why i feel this way, i know i do. so whether i have a tranny gene, im innately a woman, or whatever else, it literally doesnt matter. transitioning is still the only real option i have with how i currently am

  • j3n
    4·
    29 days ago

    i could see this take being widely unpopular in many spaces but it seems to be true. i think for some people, their gender is malleable, its subject to change for whatever reason.

  • pleasantaftertastes
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    29 days ago

    Nothing of the mind is entirely innate. there are plenty of binary trans copers, and I don’t blame them TBH This doesn’t mean most de-transers aren’t cissoids though. what’s realistic is the modern brain mosaic theory. where anyone who shifts in this matter is generally an obscene outlier. which is why I don’t really trust most nonbinary people. The male and female sexes make up massive sinkholes where most minds fall along the chart.

    • LooseSandwich543OP
      2·
      29 days ago

      I mean I wasn’t binary coping if that’s what you were implying

      And idk, of the detranners I personally know I do think most of them were genuinely trans and no longer are

      A LOT are just cis women though you’re not wrong in that sense

      • pleasantaftertastes
        1·
        29 days ago

        oh, I wasn’t implying that at all. But I suppose it realistically makes since. But people who were still trans still probably had incongruence, they just found that this wasn’t the method for them and looked for a new way to transition. If you can just go back to being cis entirely, are you still trans?

        • LooseSandwich543OP
          1·
          29 days ago

          I mean ig wym, but like my dysphoria objectively changed. I hate parts of my body now that I actively liked and wanted a year ago. My point was just that I did kinda objectively go from being a binary trans woman to being nb for soke reason. Obviously I’m still trans but if gender is innate like people here often imply that shouldn’t be able to happen

          • pleasantaftertastes
            1·
            29 days ago

            This still coincides with the mosaic theory. your place on the mosaic shifted, but you remain nonbinary because our brain maps exist in a multidimensional space, similar to sex in its layers. transition is a treatment, after all. not a label.

                • LooseSandwich543OP
                  1·
                  29 days ago

                  I literally used to be a binary trans woman though, I had all the same dysphoria and sense of self as one until just over 6 months ago. I like factually was one my dysphoria changed

  • Styrocrow
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    29 days ago

    I can understand that. In general a lot of our current understanding of psych is something like “everything is both nature and nurture”. I primarily know bits of evidence that seem to suggest hardwired brain sex exists for a lot of people, but I’m sure evidence to the contrary, or more up in the air open to interpretation bits exist, too. Sometimes brain sex debates remind me a lot of the “born this way” stuff with sexuality and latching onto pure nature as an attempt to ward off conversion therapy. We just don’t know yet.

    I don’t know, I just find it all really interesting and exciting. I hope we can get more research and leads in the future.

  • espadasaubreyBanned
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    29 days ago

    if I find out I’m not really trans I’m killing myself anyways

    • LooseSandwich543OP
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      29 days ago

      so i don’t buy the argument of people transitioning late or detransitioning as proof that gender isn’t innate.

      There objectively is people who are trans and didn’t used to be though? And people who were trans but aren’t anymore. Like it seems rather silly to retroactively call people who do have those experiences wrong and that they always were that way just to fit within a certain ideology of gender being unchangeable and entirely neurological. I know sometimes they were always repping or were never trans, but for some people that just simply isn’t the case

      If someone has an identical experience to any trans woman and then detransitions, by what measure where they always cis?

        • LooseSandwich543OP
          1·
          29 days ago

          I mean if they had dysphoria but then didnt and you think neurosex is the cause of dysphoria then how do you explain that

          Or equally if someone didn’t get dysphoria until later in life how would you explain that

          “they misunderstood their neurosex” is also just calling them wrong in big words

            • LooseSandwich543OP
              1·
              29 days ago

              You’re just doing the very thing this post is about, you’re shoehorning people’s experiences to fit a narrow ideology that they don’t even really fit in. Some people aren’t dissociated or depressed pretransition, and then get dysphoria, like that factually happens. Just denying their existence and declaring all of them reppers to fit your ideological outlook is frustrating and disingenuous imo

              You didn’t even acknowledge the 1st thing I said, what if someone has dysphoria and then stops having it?