so ethnic cleansing dressed up as woke? you said its a small amount of peoppe who wouldnt be denaturalized. so they get to stay as second class citizens? as visitors? do they apply for visas then? what if they have no other citizenship? are we going to make these people stateless too like the Palestinians before them?
theres also no material push for anything like this. it doesnt exist. nothing like this is even close to feasible. its a liberal fever dream.
No they dont get to stay as second class citizens… they are full citizens with equal rights… I am saying that people who literally moved to Israeli like two years ago after having lived in america their entire life of course should not simply be citizens now. If they have no other citizenship, they can stay because otherwise we would be breaking international law. But most of them do have a second citizenship. Again most Israelis are born in Israel and their families have been there for a long time but a certain amount have not and I dont think they should stay…
Also this was a hypothetical proposel… yes none of this is realistically feasible… I kinda just got very off topic and started thinking about what one should do if the zionist state was defeated… sorry I got completely carried away and didnt adress your point.
But yeah… you are right… but the absence of armed resistance is I think the important criteria but yeah… of course we should also focus on these other cases of genocide and colonial disposession… I just think that this one is a very active one right now…
My idea was never jews out…??? My idea was… how can we fix Israeli society from being a fascist genocidal population that similar to nazi germany saw the people they opressed as subhuman… how do we fix that kind of viewpoint on both sides and create a nation where people can live somewhat equally while accounting for the historic injustices that occured and somehow try to fix all that…
>how do we fix that kind of viewpoint on both sides and create a nation where people can live somewhat equally while accounting for the historic injustices that occured and somehow try to fix all that…
by doing away with the nation state entirely through proletarian revolution, as its a idealistic bourgeois invention.
but yes, sorry. i got hung up on the expulsion thing because its unfeasible and tribalisitic is all and the original topic of this post. plus people keep trying to make excuses why it should be done in israel but not elsewhere which i think is stupid. if you want to be a land back de-colonist sure, but at least apply it evenly. i dont support israel or zionism or whatever else.
Okay… sure… I was talking about it from a national liberationis perspective and not a communist one but I dont think they are not compatible… first national liberation, then proletarian revolution… I think that is a reasonable position. I dont think the decolonisation thing is tribalistic… not really… but whatever…
so ethnic cleansing dressed up as woke? you said its a small amount of peoppe who wouldnt be denaturalized. so they get to stay as second class citizens? as visitors? do they apply for visas then? what if they have no other citizenship? are we going to make these people stateless too like the Palestinians before them?
theres also no material push for anything like this. it doesnt exist. nothing like this is even close to feasible. its a liberal fever dream.
No they dont get to stay as second class citizens… they are full citizens with equal rights… I am saying that people who literally moved to Israeli like two years ago after having lived in america their entire life of course should not simply be citizens now. If they have no other citizenship, they can stay because otherwise we would be breaking international law. But most of them do have a second citizenship. Again most Israelis are born in Israel and their families have been there for a long time but a certain amount have not and I dont think they should stay…
Also this was a hypothetical proposel… yes none of this is realistically feasible… I kinda just got very off topic and started thinking about what one should do if the zionist state was defeated… sorry I got completely carried away and didnt adress your point.
But yeah… you are right… but the absence of armed resistance is I think the important criteria but yeah… of course we should also focus on these other cases of genocide and colonial disposession… I just think that this one is a very active one right now…
My idea was never jews out…??? My idea was… how can we fix Israeli society from being a fascist genocidal population that similar to nazi germany saw the people they opressed as subhuman… how do we fix that kind of viewpoint on both sides and create a nation where people can live somewhat equally while accounting for the historic injustices that occured and somehow try to fix all that…
>how do we fix that kind of viewpoint on both sides and create a nation where people can live somewhat equally while accounting for the historic injustices that occured and somehow try to fix all that…
by doing away with the nation state entirely through proletarian revolution, as its a idealistic bourgeois invention.
but yes, sorry. i got hung up on the expulsion thing because its unfeasible and tribalisitic is all and the original topic of this post. plus people keep trying to make excuses why it should be done in israel but not elsewhere which i think is stupid. if you want to be a land back de-colonist sure, but at least apply it evenly. i dont support israel or zionism or whatever else.
Okay… sure… I was talking about it from a national liberationis perspective and not a communist one but I dont think they are not compatible… first national liberation, then proletarian revolution… I think that is a reasonable position. I dont think the decolonisation thing is tribalistic… not really… but whatever…