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Body Integrity Identity Disorder (BIID), or Body Integrity Dysphoria, is a rare psychological condition characterized by an intense, lifelong desire to become physically disabled (e.g., amputee, paraplegic) because of a belief that a specific body part does not belong. Symptoms include severe distress, acting as if disabled, and risks of self-harm, often stemming from a discrepancy between the brain’s body map and physical reality.
I’ve recently stumbled upon such disorder’s existance, and in some ways it seems similar to gender dysphoria. It supposedly cannot be cured by therapy nor anti depressants. The way it manifests is really similar to how GD does, so I’m curious if it stems from similar malfunctions in different regions of the brain on a biological basis.
I’ve also recently saw some online comments under a video about BIID, and the way that people reacted were similar to how transphobes or cissoids do. I feel like it gives a perspective on how cissoids might perceive us. Probably not literally in the same way, but coming from the same background of lack of understanding. They literally cannot understand what they didn’t experience, just like we can’t understand BIID in the way BIID people do.
Sorry if too off topic from trans issues, or too truscum, but I want some actual discussion here. Not a troll post.
I literally understand biid, I understand that it causes them mental anguish, I just don’t think we should be giving people crippling disabilities which remove their ability to function as “treatment”. Cissoids are wrong because they don’t support transition due to it going against their ideological preconceptions, not because we should just do whatever to people’s bodies regardless of the harm actually. Cissoids understand what we’re doing to our bodies they just don’t like how it challenges preconceived notions they have about gender and the family
Cissoids may understand but they can’t feel it. Ideologies might be able to exploit such fact, and manipulate the views of people into being hostile towards it. Ideologies don’t come out of nowhere, someone had to have their own opinion first, usually when you don’t understand something it seems weird to you. That is a natural reaction for many people, and without acceptance in society I’ll be exploited into hostility.
I don’t find BIID weird myself. I was able to conceptualize it by projecting my trans experience onto it. If my dysphoria was caused by BIID and not gender dysphoria, I’d have probably wanted to undergo such mutilation, just like I want to take HRT. I would not care about being disabled, because just like my only wish and priority rn is to be a girl, the same would be to lose a leg.
correct! theyre biproducts of the mode of production and the social relations present in any given society. cissoids think the things they do due to their attitudes towards the bourgeois family and gender
well yeah same, the difference is hrt doesnt cripple you. if i was like that and someone knowingly let me cripple myself id be annoyed in the same way I am towards people whove knowingly let me starve myself in the past
But I don’t think anorexia is neurologically based. Maybe it could be in some cases. Some can be treated some can be not. But being trans and BIID can’t be cured, you have to align your body to your mind. Idk, siding with medical care for trans people but not for BIID seems kind of hipocritical to me.
i mean, i dont think transness is entirely either
i genuinely cant fathom how you see no difference between these 2 things even if transness is entirely neurological
Watch some videos about BIID on YouTube. The way they describe it, the way they are desperate, it is all the same. The way people in the comments are ignorant and actively laugh about it, just like at trans people. They see it as a delusion. It is not just ideology, it is lack of understanding. Lack of feeling the same is lack of understanding of the subjective experience.
The difference are the different parts of the brain being malfunctioned. In case of BIID the structure which corresponds to body mapping and for gender dysphoria the structure related to your sense of gender.
As I said before, it is a hard moral choice. But based on satisfaction polls we could measure if such treatment is effective. As I’ve said that is how we objectively know trans people are better off transitioning.
i wonder why… im sure this has nothing at all to do with their worldview
if srs made no difference in terms of satisfaction would you be against it?
I’ve illustrated the point that people perceive BIID individuals as deluded even without any ideology, the same applies to trans people to a lesser extent. Ideologies can however increase such behavior. Societal acceptance decreases it.
If SRS made no difference in satisfaction then I’d think I’d be a waste of healthcare and surgeons time, but it’d be up to the trans person to decide for themselves, and they’d have to know they won’t start feeling better because of it. However such scenario is self contradictory. If someone has dysphoria, it’ll be relieved by fixing the thing they’re dysphoric about. SRS which doesn’t relieve dysphoria would mean that it is not targeting the actual source of discomfort.