like holy fucking shit. shut up. shut up shut up shut up!!! do you thibk estrogen just biologically primes women to drool over men or something??? cis lesbians exist! cis gay men exist! holy fucking shit. you arent attracted to women because of testosterone or attracted to men because of estrogen. like hello??? aaahhhh!!!

  • rank1bedrotter
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    6 days ago

    What? Just because it’s not guaranteed to have an effect doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen at least sometimes? lol

      • mljemy
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        6 days ago

        I mean direct causation does always mean correlation… That’s how it works…

        But in actuality yeah some women don’t like the idea of being a gay male so for a woman to be allowed to not be male in her own attraction makes her more into men

        I think that’s the main “cause” anyway

        Though sex hormones do obviously have effect on specific aspects of sexuality (that’s why my ragebait was good its like 30% true…)

        And yes I agree all of this is gross and horrifying but that’s humans for ya…

        • UnfortunatelyAlexOP
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          6 days ago

          correlation does not equal causation* sorry, i got it swapped around. its been like 7 years since i took AP statistics.

          but the point stands. the only studies i find on this are about prenatal hormones in the womb. nothing about estrogen suddenly making you want dick

          • mljemy
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            6 days ago

            tbh i wish i could find any studies at all about estrogen/testosterone effects on trans people… such wonderful pseudo-control of variables for research yet trannies are still avoided 😔

            but yeah its no coincidence that its the average bi leaning lesbians who “finds men alluring but stays away from them and women are like normal to like and its fine its there” pre-hrt then turn into straighties after getting a female body

            still though would be cool if there was more research on the specifics

            • UnfortunatelyAlexOP
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              6 days ago

              yeah most of what i found about trannies was on levels of libido with very little mentioning sexual preferences.

              the one article i did find just now that mentions it I couldn’t access for free sadly but the abstract’s conclusion didnt make any claims about it changing sexual orientation

          • mljemy
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            6 days ago

            i just like typing :(

            wait just realized you maybe meant she meant to say “correlation doesn’t equal causation”, no i didn’t consider that… I don’t think she did tho

              • mljemy
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                6 days ago

                …i didnt? i genuinely thought she wrote that

                plus only the first line is really relevant for that, the rest i typed bcs i wanted to rant and alex seems like the person to enjoy rants and friendly arguing so

                • UnfortunatelyAlexOP
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                  6 days ago

                  aruging actually makes me extremely anxious because of having to watch my family constantly scream and yell st each other growing up, icl 😭

                  so idk why i make posts like these knowing itll cause discourse

                  • mljemy
                    2·
                    6 days ago

                    oh, sorry

                    well uh thats my bad, please assume i love you no matter what you or i say during a discussion like this thank you

                    …or im shitposting ragebait bcs i find you cute, one or the other

                    i really do just like typing and talking with people about random stuff and i never got even slightly genuinely annoyed with you or your takes (even when i really disagree) (since here we basically have the same take so its boring :( )

      • rank1bedrotter
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        6 days ago

        Because testosterone doesn’t guarantee attraction to women and estrogen/progesterone doesn’t guarantee attraction to men?

        Some people’s brains respond differently to different hormones, in the same way that e might not make someone more emotional or whatever but it might do that for someone else there’s only a chance that your brain responds in X way to Y hormones

        • UnfortunatelyAlexOP
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          6 days ago

          what evidence is there for this? like other than anecdotes that can be explained away with comphet. (or compgay ig?)

          cause ive only ever seen studies about how prenatal hormone levels in the womb can affect sexuality, and even those studies arent 100% accurate

          • rank1bedrotter
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            6 days ago

            I don’t have any evidence past my own anecdote (who tf even studies this?) and I know what I went through. I was exclusively attracted to women (even if I found it disgusting) on T and then E and prog made me attracted to men.

            There’s no evidence it doesn’t happen, because it’s only been studied in the context of cis gays rather than trans ppl.

            Best evidence we have is most ppl are het since they’re mostly cis and hence would have the hormones that “are more likely to make them attracted to the opposite sex” but that’s a stretch tbh

        • rank1bedrotter
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          6 days ago

          “Just because I responded in X way that means you must respond the same way!” Are we stupid?