I mean I get this is all anecdotal and all that, but I’ve talked and joked plenty about agp cis women in 4tran spaces and seen it in others unprompted lol.
I honestly don’t think non-violent-offender/non-sexual-offender men who can be construed as notably effeminate or weak should be placed in general population prisons with men who fit violent and sexually violent categories of offense, period. I also don’t think males, like actual cis males / testosteronized men, who could reasonably be considered prime rape-bait in jail, should be placed with the rapist man. If prisons are to exist at all, and they shouldn’t, high-T rapist beefcakes with a history of things like violence and sex-crimes should be paired together. Things like muscle / weight-class / overall strength and criminal history should take absolute precedence here, even over sex, altho sex will obviously contribute to these things notably.
I think these kinds of questions leaves out the fact that a low-T femboy or androgen insensitive male being put in the same situation would literally be just about as horrific, and wouldn’t stop being inherently unfair because he’s on T or is actually a guy and identifies as a guy or whatnot. The trans woman shouldn’t be excluded from the rapist cell with the reasoning being that she’s actually a woman. Even in a world where she is technically a man in a purely semantically legal sense, even in a world where we’re basically all seen as vxlid hrt femboys, it makes far more sense to have a specialized cell and ward for people like her, or to just put her in the female prison if post-srs. In other words, if you replace that twinkhon with an androgen insensitive man who identifies as a man and lives as a weak effeminate man, he should probably go with the terf, if those are the only real options. It’s not about sex but risk factors imo.
This example wasnt to argue that this is a perfect solution of course. Its to argue that semantics do matter. A lot. Blanchard dismissing this is not only myopic and transphobic but actually dangerous! In some situations, its literally the difference between chilling and being raped to death. Its not binary of course, and the situation is far from perfect. But I took extremes just to illustrate my point.
Its a sliding scale of risk. What if a rapist is weak? what if a femboy is a rapist? What if a woman is rapist? What are risk group criteria? And the more categories and criteria you introduce, the more resource intensive and prone to corruption the incarceration becomes. Any state would try and minimize the expenses, so you either get segregated by sex or height or muscle mass or by being an sex offender. But even the last category can get someone raped because cis women and weak men can be rapists too.
And that is everywhere. Take the toilets question, segregation in groups, gyms and so on. Every time you see those this person who is so called AGP will be discriminated and feel from bad to suicidal
I don’t actually disagree. Prison’s are fucked and there is no good answer besides doing something else entirely, quite frankly. I just feel like an odd thing about this whole prompt is that there’s no world I can envision where, say, a dissociated repper version of myself who still lives as a visibly queer man and never trooned or realized they were dysphoric wouldn’t still get raped to death in a men’s prison and be just as undeserving of it. Dividing prisons purely by endocrine systems could potentially save the version of myself that figured things out, but I see no justice for pre-troon me.
Trans women shouldn’t be in men’s prisons, but more pressingly, if you’re feminine with a penis and got locked up for some crime, the punishment shouldn’t be total rape and annihilation as it is currently, which I see as just as pressing a concern.
I mean I get this is all anecdotal and all that, but I’ve talked and joked plenty about agp cis women in 4tran spaces and seen it in others unprompted lol.
I honestly don’t think non-violent-offender/non-sexual-offender men who can be construed as notably effeminate or weak should be placed in general population prisons with men who fit violent and sexually violent categories of offense, period. I also don’t think males, like actual cis males / testosteronized men, who could reasonably be considered prime rape-bait in jail, should be placed with the rapist man. If prisons are to exist at all, and they shouldn’t, high-T rapist beefcakes with a history of things like violence and sex-crimes should be paired together. Things like muscle / weight-class / overall strength and criminal history should take absolute precedence here, even over sex, altho sex will obviously contribute to these things notably.
I think these kinds of questions leaves out the fact that a low-T femboy or androgen insensitive male being put in the same situation would literally be just about as horrific, and wouldn’t stop being inherently unfair because he’s on T or is actually a guy and identifies as a guy or whatnot. The trans woman shouldn’t be excluded from the rapist cell with the reasoning being that she’s actually a woman. Even in a world where she is technically a man in a purely semantically legal sense, even in a world where we’re basically all seen as vxlid hrt femboys, it makes far more sense to have a specialized cell and ward for people like her, or to just put her in the female prison if post-srs. In other words, if you replace that twinkhon with an androgen insensitive man who identifies as a man and lives as a weak effeminate man, he should probably go with the terf, if those are the only real options. It’s not about sex but risk factors imo.
This example wasnt to argue that this is a perfect solution of course. Its to argue that semantics do matter. A lot. Blanchard dismissing this is not only myopic and transphobic but actually dangerous! In some situations, its literally the difference between chilling and being raped to death. Its not binary of course, and the situation is far from perfect. But I took extremes just to illustrate my point. Its a sliding scale of risk. What if a rapist is weak? what if a femboy is a rapist? What if a woman is rapist? What are risk group criteria? And the more categories and criteria you introduce, the more resource intensive and prone to corruption the incarceration becomes. Any state would try and minimize the expenses, so you either get segregated by sex or height or muscle mass or by being an sex offender. But even the last category can get someone raped because cis women and weak men can be rapists too. And that is everywhere. Take the toilets question, segregation in groups, gyms and so on. Every time you see those this person who is so called AGP will be discriminated and feel from bad to suicidal
Very good point
I don’t actually disagree. Prison’s are fucked and there is no good answer besides doing something else entirely, quite frankly. I just feel like an odd thing about this whole prompt is that there’s no world I can envision where, say, a dissociated repper version of myself who still lives as a visibly queer man and never trooned or realized they were dysphoric wouldn’t still get raped to death in a men’s prison and be just as undeserving of it. Dividing prisons purely by endocrine systems could potentially save the version of myself that figured things out, but I see no justice for pre-troon me.
Trans women shouldn’t be in men’s prisons, but more pressingly, if you’re feminine with a penis and got locked up for some crime, the punishment shouldn’t be total rape and annihilation as it is currently, which I see as just as pressing a concern.