like, people will post something about Christianity, and i’ll spend a decent amount of time writing a thoughtful reply based on radical liberation theology only to have my comment immediately rejected by the person i was replying to because they’re only really interested in dunking on the stupid, idiot religioids… i don’t mind anyone dunking on religious institutions, because basically all of them are horrible, and i, obviously, understand that many may have religious trauma. but, still, it saddens me that so many trannies seem so fundamentally incapable of engaging with other ways of interpreting life and our place in the Universe. like, they’ve just replaced fundamentalist religion with fundamentalist atheism, and, tbh, even though the latter tends to produce significantly better political positions and outcomes, i do think they’re pretty much just as anti-intellectual at their core… and, i guess, i just feel like if there’s one group of people who should at least be somewhat open to hearing out other perspectives than the dominant one, it’d be trannies :I
Now, as a former religiously brainwashed member of a religious militant group. I actually don’t really mind religion all that much. I even think it’s pretty nice, though I prefer a personal faith. I’d be fine with discussing religion also. I would laugh at the idea of comparing the perspective or persecution of a religious person to that of a tranny though, lmao. Like, it’s gonna be a rehashed or reformed abrahamic religion but this one doesn’t kill trannies. I don’t really know what to say to that stuff.
oh, yea, don’t get me wrong: i’m not trying to compare the transphobia coming from religious people to the “hate” religious trannies get from other trannies. they’re not even remotely comparable… one does actual damage; the other is just something that slightly peeves me because i like deep discussions about the larger things in life. it was kinda hard to figure out exactly how i wanted to put my feelings into writing, and i only think i half-succeeded with this post, tbh…
I do like the religious discussions though, and would probably enjoy having them here.
yea… tbh, i think it’s not even really about religion, necessarily. the problem is kinda just that i hold trannies to a higher standard, expecting them to have a better-than-average sociological imagination, so it frustrates me when another tranny is very dismissive of other perspectives that they haven’t even really bothered to try to understand. like, the way a 4tranner will rage against a complete misunderstanding of gender abolition every once in a while and, then, just not even try to engage with good comments explaining how gender abolition isn’t actually anti-trans and dismissive of our condition 🫠
I actually get this, but I would really just attribute it to internal issues bubbling out. Especially when it comes to triggers like religion.
oh, yea, absolutely. it’s why i’ll never blame anyone personally for having a knee-jerk negative reaction to religion. like, it’s completely understandable, imo…
All autists need to grow out of their reddit atheism phase. It’s a coming of age thing. The human spirit, in all its cultural expressions, is shaped by conceptions of an Absolute, of a final truth and reality which isn’t necessarily confined to religion. Secularism is a myth, we have merely replaced religion with a cult of the state and atomized citizen. Any living arrangement necessarily presupposes questions about the self and the other the self is inevitably oriented towards. If you don’t want to associate with religion, that’s fine. Our blood-caked religious texts are difficult to reconcile with. But a new spirituality is still in order, which sets aside the psychosis of a life after death (which perhaps more than anything explains the popular apathy towards environmental destruction) and places the preservation of the real world at the center. What do leftists believe in, if not in a profound cosmopolitanism of life? That we have to take responsibility. For what? For everything. For the cosmos and each other.
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im too tired and sick to comprehend all of that but what i could understand i 100% agree with
yesssssss, this. period.
I’m too much of a materialist to ever engage with a possibility of any religion being true, tbh. I don’t dunk on people, but I’m also unable to take religion seriously at all. The only place religion has in my life is inside my ideas of reference.
that’s understandable, tbh. i used to think the same way…
For me it was reverse. I used to believe in god in my childhood, then become an agnostic in the tweens-early teens, an atheist in the mid teens and a materialist in the late teens to now.
I feel you 🫂
It’s frustrating enough having to deal with this shit irl, at least in troon spaces I want to be free of it. Unfortunately faithoids are usually completely unable to keep their shit to themselves and sooner or later will rub it in everybody’s faces, similar to foot fetishists. Like, have your fun with it if you need it so badly, but don’t bring it up if people don’t explicitly want to be subjected to it. Many people in our sphere have taken considerable harm from it and simply want to be left alone.
i don’t proselytize :‹ what i’m talking about is that antitheists will constantly make posts bashing religious trannies. like, they’re the ones constantly bringing it up…
You alone post more religious stuff than all the entire anti-religious tranners on the board combined. You might just not even notice it anymore.
sure, i mention it in my own posts because i’m writing about my own life, and religion is an important part of my life. it’s a lens through which i interpret things, and it’s not like i decided to be religious; i just am. so, i don’t really think it’s fair to criticize me for that, tho… like, no one is forced to read anything i write, and i don’t tend to reply to others’ posts by bringing up religion unprompted :(
yeah…
mostly real
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hmmmm, i’m not really able to properly express my thoughts on the matter, but i think it’s possible to formulate symbolic interpretations of religion that remain secular and, thus, materialist. like, i don’t think you have to transcend the material in order to be religious, necessarily. but, tbh, at that point, you might just be getting into semantics… i’m not really sure. it’s definitely an interesting thing to think about, tho
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yea, i think that’s correct. tho, i guess i’d argue that religious frameworks, at least Christianity, can’t ever really be detached from the material conditions that lead to their existence, anyway. like, the Bible isn’t the literal Word of God, but it’s been written by many people at different points in time, and the way people have interpreted the text has everything to do with class conditions. and, personally, i’d take it even further and say that all religions are fundamentally just the products of material conditions. like, i don’t really believe there’s such a thing as a Correct religion; but, rather, there are only ever imperfect attempts at understanding our existence, and, obviously, these attempts are all borne out of specific material conditions… i just think there might still be room for some kind of religious-like institution through which we can orient our moral frameworks, though i suppose that starts to rub against marxism… hmmm, i’m not really sure, tbh…
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i think i fundamentally disagree with the idea that “the role of moral frameworks and religion is fundamentally to serve the dominant class, and that is what every existing religion on the planet does.” like, to me, that just seems to based on a caricature of religion and morality… how can a moral framework that precludes private ownership be a means of social control co-opted by the bourgeoisie?
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hmmmm, i’m not really sure, but i don’t really agree that morality necessitates utopian socialism, and i definitely don’t agree that it inherently relies on bourgeois logic, even if i’m not sure exactly how to express my disagreement. tho, i will say that part of me has always been uncomfortable with the positivism inherent to scientific socialism… like, to me, positivism is itself a fundamentally bourgeois logic and ideologically suspect. i guess, maybe, i might be looking for something that transcends both scientific and utopian socialism? i’m not really sure… am i maybe just a heterodox marxist as opposed to an orthodox marxist? i don’t know, at this point, i’m far, far beyond the bounds of my knowledge on marxism 😭
antitheism is a really oversimplified black and white perspective on religion and it pmo
yea, like, i get where it’s coming from, and i can’t really blame anyone for being antitheist. i mean, i also fucking despise the Church as an institution… but, it’s sad that people have so little patience for even thinking about the possibility of there being something beyond our immediate experience. like, i think there’s a lot to gain from discussing theology even if you’re not religious. there are, for example, many interesting ways to interpret, e.g., Christianity purely symbolically…
That’s the thing though, anybody can interpret religion and symbolism how they feel like, so if it can mean anything, it means nothing at the same time, making discussing it a waste of time. I can just discuss concepts and ideas themselves without interpretation and symbolism from some ancient scripture to back it up, if the point I make is good enough it will stand on itself. I have faith in myself and don’t need to bend some scripture to give my arguments credibility.
YESSSSS symbolic interpretations are so fucking interesting u get it
idk were cucked to either detroon or be hated
