Built the foundations of modern china
“oh-kay but like Hitler and animals bro.”
that’s a category error. You can’t compare this shit to some trivial personal hobby Hitler had with no impact on the structure of Germany ever. Animal rights didn’t do anything for germany’s success or for its people post-war.
Unlike Hitler, who left Germany a morally bankrupt partitioned crater. Mao’s era ended with a unified nuclear armed literally/physically healthy nation far better then it was when he found it. It’s why China was able to soar past other developing nations. Economic Miracle, baby!
No country was exempt from an industrial revolution. Like the one in America. Horrific child labor, urban squalor and a massive death total again and again. But it built the structure for the modern middle class. I’m not defending the tragedies, but it’s important to acknowledge that the china we know and love today was built during that time.
“to some trivial personal hobby Hitler had with no impact on the structure of Germany ever.”
The second the NSDAP came to power, they did the Reich Animal Protection Act, and you could literally go to Auschwitz if you were like a big-time animal abuser. Hitler did a lot of “Animal Rights” stuff, he made laws about this stuff that had real punishments. Hitler always being with his dog Blondi and constantly taking pictures was related to this stuff and a source for propaganda. This was not a hobby of his, it was a core belief.
Mao basically had these senseless tragedies during his rule, nothing came of them, they just happened and people died, it’s a sad thing really.
Doesn’t refute anything I’m saying award. This had no effect on anything. you said nothing. I don’t really care about how much hitler loved his dog. It didn’t do anything structurally for the shithole that was post war Germany and was completely forgotten. this shit is completely irrelevant in German history. Again, this is a category error and an awful comparison.
You can’t completely ignore the parts of history you don’t like because “nothing came of them.” (modern china came from them. And the countless marvels china produced afterwards for the world did as well.)
it’s a completely fair comparison to say that someone doing good things can be massively overset if they killed millions and millions of people and led their nation to ruin
led china to ruin? it literally built modern china! Are you seriously comparing everything I’m saying to fucking dog walking laws that were out immediately once the third reich was out the door! no structural impact! It’s no different from any other countries industrialization.
Just look at Chinese economic growth, it starts rising quick in the 80s, before that it’s just a flat line, when you are Industrialising that number rises quick, China industrialised in the 80s, not before that. You are making excuses for a guy who led to tens of millions of deaths out of sheer stupidity and then also cracked down hard on people who disagreed with him, after the whole letting tens of millions die out of sheer stupidity.
If Stalin had anything going for him, he actually succeeded in his Industrialisation and wasn’t that stupid.
(china’s industrial capacity clearly fucking improved its a super power)
Russia was already a super power, even if it was lagging. In 1949 the Chinese people couldn’t even build a fucking tractor.
(despite the fact that this argument is focused on physical assets and not market value)
China was a sub colonial agrarian society with 0 heavy industry. Under mao, GDP grew 10 percent every year. it looks flat because the Renminbi wasn’t traded on the global market and the economy was autarkic
the stupidity argument is so… stupid.
How can a “collapsing” economy result in a population that doubles in size and doubles its life expectancy?
If Mao’s policies were purely “stupid,” why did the most basic measures of human survival improve so drastically?
while the great leap was a failure, the other 20 years of leadership were highly efficient in every regard and metric.
He turned a country with a 35 year life expectancy and no machines into a nuclear superpower. Mind you, the second china opens up to the global market once Deng took over, it absolutely exploded into the economic miracle. disgustingly successful.
“to some trivial personal hobby Hitler had with no impact on the structure of Germany ever.”
The second the NSDAP came to power, they did the Reich Animal Protection Act, and you could literally go to Auschwitz if you were like a big-time animal abuser. Hitler did a lot of “Animal Rights” stuff, he made laws about this stuff that had real punishments. Hitler always being with his dog Blondi and constantly taking pictures was related to this stuff and a source for propaganda. This was not a hobby of his, it was a core belief.
Mao basically had these senseless tragedies during his rule, nothing came of them, they just happened and people died, it’s a sad thing really.
Doesn’t refute anything I’m saying award. This had no effect on anything. you said nothing. I don’t really care about how much hitler loved his dog. It didn’t do anything structurally for the shithole that was post war Germany and was completely forgotten. this shit is completely irrelevant in German history. Again, this is a category error and an awful comparison.
You can’t completely ignore the parts of history you don’t like because “nothing came of them.” (modern china came from them. And the countless marvels china produced afterwards for the world did as well.)
it’s a completely fair comparison to say that someone doing good things can be massively overset if they killed millions and millions of people and led their nation to ruin
led china to ruin? it literally built modern china! Are you seriously comparing everything I’m saying to fucking dog walking laws that were out immediately once the third reich was out the door! no structural impact! It’s no different from any other countries industrialization.
This argument is fallacious and bad faith at the very best.
Just look at Chinese economic growth, it starts rising quick in the 80s, before that it’s just a flat line, when you are Industrialising that number rises quick, China industrialised in the 80s, not before that. You are making excuses for a guy who led to tens of millions of deaths out of sheer stupidity and then also cracked down hard on people who disagreed with him, after the whole letting tens of millions die out of sheer stupidity.
If Stalin had anything going for him, he actually succeeded in his Industrialisation and wasn’t that stupid.
(china’s industrial capacity clearly fucking improved its a super power) Russia was already a super power, even if it was lagging. In 1949 the Chinese people couldn’t even build a fucking tractor. (despite the fact that this argument is focused on physical assets and not market value) China was a sub colonial agrarian society with 0 heavy industry. Under mao, GDP grew 10 percent every year. it looks flat because the Renminbi wasn’t traded on the global market and the economy was autarkic the stupidity argument is so… stupid. How can a “collapsing” economy result in a population that doubles in size and doubles its life expectancy? If Mao’s policies were purely “stupid,” why did the most basic measures of human survival improve so drastically? while the great leap was a failure, the other 20 years of leadership were highly efficient in every regard and metric. He turned a country with a 35 year life expectancy and no machines into a nuclear superpower. Mind you, the second china opens up to the global market once Deng took over, it absolutely exploded into the economic miracle. disgustingly successful.