well, firstly, i hate all biological determinism. i thinks mostly bs. theres somethings obviously that are genetic, but generally im a very big nurture over nature kind of person.
but more than that, i just hate it out of priciple. because why does it matter? if we arent born with a gendered soul, or the brain of the other sex or whatever else, then why does it matter? does that make the pain of dysphoria less real? does that make the treatment any different? i dont think so.
its like how i hate gays talking about homosexuality in nature. like cool, but it doesnt mean anything. if humans were the only species on the planet to practice homosexual relations, itd still be okay for gay people to exist.
we dont live natural lives, we are so much more complex than that. if someone isnt hurting another person, then thats all that should matter. the ones who hate us, who hate gay people, they dont care about appeals to nature. its just fighting them on their own terf and conceding to their arguments because they’ll never believe anything but their own reactionary world views anyway.
then what is your definition of natural?
i dont think youd be happy with any definition i could possibly come up with. because again, words are fluid and trying to assign strict definitions to them is a sisyphean task. i guess as a very rough idea id say it is things that occur without intelligent intervention. im not happy with that definition, but i dont want you to claim that im avoiding the question.
do computers, lightbulbs, etc. occur without complex intervention from an outside force manipulating materials? they work based on natural principles, but the objects themselves that utilize these those principles to function cannot exist just out of no where.
humans are natural. we occured (as far as were aware) without intervention. what ive been trying to say this whole time is that our lives, meaning our lived experiences, are so heavily defined by things that exist outside the bounds of what can occur without our influence.
human lives are not fully dictated by the whims of natural constraints. how is that not true? how is that so hard to understand? the existence of and our reliance on artificial materials is more than enough proof of that. yes, fine, we are still constrained by lifespans and reproduction, but even those proccesses have been artificially adapted and changed.
okay, i think i more see where you’re coming from, thank you. idk i still really dislike the natural vs. artificial framing and don’t think it’s generally a helpful way to view things. but then again i may just be insane/stupid. so apologies for dragging this on so long; i do realize i can be a difficult/annoying person and that my brain is kinda anomalous in how i conceptualize stuff.
youre fine, and i dont necessarily disagree that its help to split things like that. i dont usually. sorry for all this.