well, firstly, i hate all biological determinism. i thinks mostly bs. theres somethings obviously that are genetic, but generally im a very big nurture over nature kind of person.

but more than that, i just hate it out of priciple. because why does it matter? if we arent born with a gendered soul, or the brain of the other sex or whatever else, then why does it matter? does that make the pain of dysphoria less real? does that make the treatment any different? i dont think so.

its like how i hate gays talking about homosexuality in nature. like cool, but it doesnt mean anything. if humans were the only species on the planet to practice homosexual relations, itd still be okay for gay people to exist.

we dont live natural lives, we are so much more complex than that. if someone isnt hurting another person, then thats all that should matter. the ones who hate us, who hate gay people, they dont care about appeals to nature. its just fighting them on their own terf and conceding to their arguments because they’ll never believe anything but their own reactionary world views anyway.

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    Racism and xenophobia are absolutely natural. Child mortality is also natural. And cancer. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t solve them or those are good things

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      Race and the concept of the outsider are not natural phenomenon but socially constructed social groups, they are by no means natural.

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      Xenophobia is seemingly far more natural than actual racism. Language and culture were often the big driving forces for prejudice throughout our history, with things like skin color and other physical features being much more recent additions.

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        Research proves that babies will always prefer strangers that share their mother’s skin colour

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          I’m not one to imply that racism is to the complete antithesis of our entire nature, but it’s not something you can expect somebody to carry with them past infancy without a lot of cultural reinforcement, as otherwise it’d be just as easily grown out of as fear of the dark.

          Racism, at the primitive lizard-brained level, only needs the absolute slightest of exposure to somebody who’s skin color differs but shares the same language and basic values as you to start breaking down. Without the invention of the race sciences that were made to justify slavery and colonization, I really do not think the societies of today would be all that racist at-all.

          As for whether babies would still have a bit of racism as a treat, it’s certainly likely. Identifying physical sameness is a good primitive defense for distinguishing parent from non-parent, and family from non-family. Our capacity to understand tribe as something much grander than direct blood relation expands dramatically with language acquisition and proper socialization however, and this goes for all humans.

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            Eh so it’s not natural. Modern races are def a construct tho that I agree with

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              It’d be most accurate to term adult-aged racism a socially reinforced infantile disorder than purely “natural” or “unnatural”. Adult racists are mental toddlers. Racist toddlers are just toddlers.

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                When I became an adult I realized that half of all adult people are actually just teenagers and children without hormones. Also they become good at masking that fact by virtue signaling and mimicking the contextual culture

                I think that a lot of people just didn’t grow up at all and others just use it constantly

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                  I mean you’re not exactly wrong in this day and age. The longer we live in techno-industrial society the more domesticated we become. The more domesticated we are the more helpless and infantile we are. The more infantile we are the more insular our lives and our thought-processes, the more narcissistic the culture… just like babies. We are being expertly engineered by the architects of leviathan to be helplessly retarded autopedophiles full of propaganda-induced and asociality-induced prejudices, with just enough skills to serve as cogs in hyper-particular parts of the machine, but never enough of a skill-base to start exercising the muscles of autonomy we’ve spent so many generations atrophying.