these are our materialists dog we’re trapped in idealism forever!
I mean there is obviously some biological element to sexuality? Why are the vast majority of humans heterosexual and always have been forever? There’s social elements for sure but it being entirely social is nonsensical
sex is fake but sexuality isnt believer!
and its because there is a society wide enforcement of exclusive heterosexuality in the service of reproductive coercion. this is like my parents saying “everyone is cis and has been forever” or people who say “capitalism is the best system because everyone is born greedy and wants money” youre ignoring material factors that lead to it!
and its because there is a society wide enforcement of exclusive heterosexuality in the service of reproductive coercion
Class society hasn’t existed forever and neither has patriarchy and yet we heterosexuality has always been overwhelming, curious! It’s also overwhelming in every animal on the planet, curious!
patriarchy has been dominant throughout most of recorded history because of the material advantages of reproductive control, and similar incentives in tbe animal kingdom. but just because people have been exploiting the poor or fighting other tribes since the dawn of historyor because animals have hierarchies and mark territory doesnt mean, doesnt mean that class society isnt built on idealism. this is so silly.
??? You know where patriarchy comes from right? That it isn’t just inherent to humans? Patriarchy rose around the same time class society did and yet prior to the existence of class society the vast majority of humans were still heterosexual
The phrase “class society is built on idealism” also makes no sense do you know what that word means?
were they? exclusive heterosexuality is a political construct around normativity same as with exclusive cissexuality and the rights of kings etc. while heterosexual modes of attraction and sex were given additional status, with homosexuality in history being largely either exploitarion/pederasty or being recorded largely in rumours or gossip. but we dont really know what the actual situation was because of who co trolleed the dissemination and recording of information. agian, it is the assertion of exclusive and normative heterosexuality which is the political cos truct, despite the frequency of homoeroticism even within hetero society. in fact hetero society is largely homosocial - with men and women considered to .ostly be capable pnly of interactjon eithin a sexual or romantic lens, so a man may feel more affection for his drinking buddies at the local than for his wofe who similarly will likely confess more of her heart or her worries to her bible prayer circle or knitting club. viewing gendersex as a presocial unchangeable construct while ig oring all the ways it has been shaped by material factors and its role as a political tool and ideal is jjst silly.
Literally none of this applies to anything I’ve said I’m so confused
A.) At no point did I ever say human sexuality isn’t shaped by material factors I said the opposite in my 1st comment
B.) Denying that the majority of medieval peasents were straight because “we just don’t know” is the stupidest shit I’ve ever heard, we just don’t know if they were gay either then. We do know that basically all of them had heterosexual relations tho…+ the concept of ‘homosocial’ is so stipud, you cannot in all seriousness tell me that you think your female friends are all maybe slightly gay for talking to you a lot
C.) Just straight up didn’t adress the point thst heterosexuality was the norm prior to the existence of patriarchy or class society lmao
D.) I’m not fully certain you know what idealism means
A) the majority of human beings experience some measure of attraction to both men and women, its just that one mode is so heavily reinforced that the other becomes completely unthinkable. unless one had absolutely zero attraction to the opposite sex, one simply repressed it. female sexuality was even more suppressed, or made invisible and female homosexuality doubly so. this is why victorians banned male homosexuality but mentioned nothing about female homosexuals, because women were not co sidered to have a sexuality at all. this is also why, as attitudes change, bisexuality is the fastest growing and largest cohort of lgbt self ide tification from generation to generation. similar to the oft quoted left handedness graph, this is not indicative of an actual increase in the amount of bisexuals but rather of a decrease in the number of bisexual reppers.
B.) were they all “straight” or did they live in a society that had normalised heterosexuality as part of what life was, much the same way that most of them were religious or lived within the boundaries of a country?
C.) as i mentioned, pattiarchy’s method of property control is very successful and thus by the stsrt of recorded history it was widespread. moreover as patriarchal societies became dominant, they were the ones who left behind records from which our understanding of their gender structures can be drawn. im not sure what you mean by class society here, but certainly feudalism and prefeusalism were both patriarchal. neither of them are presocial though, the same material causes that make patriarchy a part of the labour exploitation mechanism in capitalism were present back then.
D.) don’t be rude, you know very well what i mean. ideals, like country, nation, the nuclear family, natural justice, the course of history, endless progress etc.
bruh most people are straight
TRANS MATERIALITS ASSOCIATION
we should get on that asap
materialists rise up frfr it’s abysmally retarded
